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I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. Im looking forward to laughing at more of your comments. But if your wife and daughters are dressing immodestly to draw attention to their bodies, theyre not dressing in a Christ-honoring way These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. Jesus didnt find it necessary to dress differently than anyone else, why should the MOG? I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Reasons for NOT Accepting the KJV as Gods Preserved Word A response to Pastor James Melton, 71. We don't have enough information about nwbbc.com safety, we need to dig a little deeper before we make the call. First anytime a mans name is attached to a system of theology my antennae go way up, think Campbell, Calvin, Arminius, Smith etc. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. Or second, you could be referring to those who held to Baptist beliefs and were called by the name Baptist. BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. In my civilian life..and please do pray for our military..I am very honored to serve as Senior Pastor of Coral Ridge in Jacksonville (FL). 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. (Quote from Dr. J. M. Carrolls booklet The Trail of Blood) These historians, in an attempt to show an unbroken line of Baptists in history, have embraced groups which were clearly not doctrinal sound. 2 . Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. 601 1ST AVE SE . In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. 2.) Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. Baptists are not Protestants! And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. He began by baptizing himself and then baptizing ten other members. Many churches were organized in the following years. Corrections? The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Assistant Pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Watertown, WI since 2017. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. Our goal here has always been to provide encouragement and resources for independent Baptists. There were however, many Baptists who loved the Word of God and held true to it and refused to abandon teaching the New Testament. It is an important part of the church. That is what saved believers have always believed, because that is what the New Testament which is Gods Word to man says. Independent Fundamental Churches of America - Britannica (1 Tim. 4) strict obedience to the pastor 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. This would explain the abrasiveness with which you deliver what should be the most joyous information of the Gospel of Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. I dont like dressing up. than we pray that they will get right with God Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. An interesting read. Actually what should have been first was the erroneous teaching that water baptism has anything at all to do with ones salvation, it does not! First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. In determining who were the first Baptists, you must first identify who you are referring to. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. Greek Orthodox Churches; Unity Churches; Lutheran Churches; Eastern Orthodox Churches; If other will share. The cause is clear. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. Jesus statement to the Pharisees about tithing would not apply to you because you are not a Jew under the Mosaic Law. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? 1.) At any rate, logical fallacies dont need to be in or out of context to be called logical fallacies. Fundamental Independent Baptists church will remain separate from these churches as well as other Baptists groups who participate with the unscriptural churches. But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. G.L. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. Total. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. He had a few different views and was eventually censured (kicked-out) from the Presbyterian church in 1809, so he eventually started his own church. Protestants still practice infant baptism which is not taught in the Word of God. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. The grace economy is a much superior way to live a life pleasing to God. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. I understand all that. He is much better at it than we are. Just curious. There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament. Those soldiers they so casually curse gave their life so that these wannabe BLM or ANTIFA buttinskies could spew their hate at those who defended their freedoms. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? Not sure where to post this so lets try here. After Roger Williams stepped down, Thomas Olney took over as the pastor of the church in Rhode Island. My study of the word psalms is that it includes singing with a musical instrument. @Saved By Grace Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. 3.) Using the KJV only is not the problem. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. In the Midst of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network's Website and If I wanted to wear a sponge bob costume while leading worship I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. The local pastor is the shepherd (Heb. It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. Matthew 7:1&2, Judge not, that ye be not judged. I hope you come back to comment more. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. Christ suffered and gave His life to save you from hell, it's time you start going to a church that actually believes that. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. I cannot judge this man. She and another church lady had this discussion and the other lady said that to her it is a bigger sin to stay in an abusive, unloving marriage such as the one my mother was in, and I agree whole heartedly. Baptists, basing their beliefs solely on the Bible, and in particularly the New Testament, have never held to these teachings and see them as heresy. My responsibility is to preach the Word. If I were asked to compare the church I attend with another denomination that I knew about. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. We believe in salvation by grace through faith as described in Ephesians 2:8-9. These New Testament believers rejected every attempt to include them in with the other churches who compromised and accepted the Roman governments money, rule and authority. Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. Dress codes are not the problems. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Really!! watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it Thats kind of like being an American and never knowing enough about the nations beginnings to be able to make an intelligent decision about whether some politician is leading us away from freedom. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. If your church does teach the following then watch out, you are probably in a manipulating extreme IFB church situation. Again Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. I was able to better understand the New Testament. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches Thank you for visiting Fundamental.org Home to the KJV Church directory! Tithing is no longer a requirement and God doesnt not require a tithe for obedience as is preached in todays churches. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. One man Hanserd Knolleys, is an example of dissenter of the Church of England who had to flee to America. Many Anabaptists churches were strong New Testament churches believing and following the Word of God. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. If you dont already, try it some time. In the many books on church history which make up the bibliography for this paper, there is not one recorded incident of a Baptist church beginning founded out of Roman Catholicism. People who study dont fall so easily for false teaching. You could mean those persons or churches which held to the Baptists beliefs although they may not have called themselves Baptists. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. This is not to say there were no Baptists in Britain earlier, but that this began a line of churches whose history can be traced. So, IT IS in the New Testament! Places Near Chandler, AZ with Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. You either comply or you are thrown out. The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. I should have or you should have? They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. Failure to pay the tax brought the wrath of the civil and church leaders and people were publicly beaten, placed in stocks, fined, imprisoned, and banished from the colony by the civil authorities under the direction of the Puritan church officials. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. Further, they reject so-called scriptures of modern day so called prophets. A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. Thanks but addressed all points. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Also, from personal expreicnei know how it feels to be spirtually abused. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. 71 N., De Queen, Arkansas 71832, United States of America DeQueen Flag Listing Claim This Listing Arbanna Baptist Church Headquarters are in Grandville, Michigan. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. From a Calvary Chapel web site: We do not maintain church membership; You must be born again spiritually to join the church of Jesus Christ, therefore membership is in the whole church of Jesus, not just our local fellowship., This practice stems from their Moses model (top down) style of church leadership. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am . Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. We preach modest clothing (unfortunatly most of the girls at my church dont adhere to it in that they wear skirts that expose all but a few inches of the upper leg). Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. Baptists with other citizens were taxed to support the Episcopal church. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. The best illustration of this point can be made this way. Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. 2) tell you what kind of music to listen to No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. How can you not see that? In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? Not all IFB churches are this way. Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. Fundamental Baptist use the name in its strictest sense as meaning holding to the fundamentals of the New Testament teachings without error. Google Maps shows it located in a modest strip mall in Jacksonville, Florida, alongside an arcade, a . A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. v-43 Stop grumbling among yourselves, Jesus answered. I attend an IFB church. Fundamental.org - King James, Fundamental, Independent Baptist Resources Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. I do not agree with the IFB on their viewpoint of strict dress standards. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. The cops accused them of urinating in the water. This is the only point that I disagree with of IFB doctrine. I met him about 25 years ago and our spirits bore witness that we are the sons of God. Thats NOT in the Bible anywhere! It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. Northwest bible baptist church, elgin, il Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. The loved me and cared for my" The ones Ive attend are really good. Any idiot can do that. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! (Colossians 1:18; Matthew 18:15-20; Acts 15:22-21; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23) Priesthood of the Believer. 5. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Overview of the IFB Church - Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB We have the personal presence of the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us, why would we want to follow rules that were intended for people living in the power of the flesh? The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. Wives Submit Deception Revisited Exploration of Ephesians 5:21, 74. Theres no recourse. NoI simply believe we are not required to tithe (like keeping law) but it is a good thing to if one wants to. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. 3. Churches in USA; Churches in Canada; Churches in Australia; Churches in the UK; Churches Worldwide . S.J. On the other hand, we are responsible for witnessing to people God brings our way. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. In 1539 thirty one more who had fled to Holland were apprehended and martyred there. He tells us all the time he can tell we are believers because we are different in how we treat him and others in our neighborhood. HWY 3 NW. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. Typically they take the following verse an stretched it like a balloon: Independent Baptist Churches is a subsite of IndependentBaptist.com. For example, G.L. They loved the Lord and many of them gave their lives and fortunes for the sake of Christ. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. The Second Coming: Jesus Christ is coming bodily to earth to rule and judge. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. All youve done is pull some verses out of context and manipulated them to fit your point of view. May The Lord bless us, and keep us: The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious unto us: The Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. We also have a man that shouts Amen as well. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. You dont study enough. For example, we had Dish installed in our home a few weeks ago. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America. North Dakota Independent Baptist Churches - Tripod The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral.

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